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Chapter Two Stasis …The Space Between

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Joseph: It is unusual this week in that I have been inspiring Michael with the title of what I wish to speak about and, as usual, he has been avoiding that title in the interests of keeping the message pure – which is a noble thing to do – but I did want to place in his mind the concept of today’s chapter, and the title is …‘The Space Between’.

The Space Between – because I wish to speak about what happens to a soul once that soul has decided it is going to reincarnate on the Earth again. As we have said in the previous chapter and in previous books, the soul is taken into a quiet state, and its soul memories of being on the Earth are removed from it. Then it is placed into a ‘queue’ that will lead to the beginning of the process of incarnation again on Earth.

During this time we try to educate the soul so that, even though it has decided to go back to the Earth and relive some of the circumstances of past lives (hopefully this time to get things ‘right’ according to its own vision of things), we are able to influence it to a certain extent through suggestion. It is not the same ‘suggestion’ as you would find, for example, in brainwashing or hypnotism on Earth. It is a gentle influence to reinforce what we have been trying to say to the soul up to this point. In other words: ‘Please make this your last incarnation so that you can move onwards once you come back to the spirit realms, and so that you can also be open to our suggestions when you come back to the spirit realms.’

There is a benefit of this (and I hope this will explain something that many people on Earth ask us): if we are successful in talking to that soul and in making it see that the earthly path is one that really shouldn’t be trodden (until things have re-established themselves as they were before the Fall) then that soul is able to acquiesce to and embrace a faster track through the Earth plane – a track that will allow it to negate more of the karma it has accrued in past lives. In other words, the soul, at the mid-point between entering stasis and actually incarnating into another earthly life, can see reason even at that point.

And, if it sees reason through volition and through saying, ‘Yes, I agree to this,’ it can then more easily be placed by the Lords of Karma into a life that will allow it to experience and overcome more of the challenges that have drawn it back into incarnation in the first place.

So, for example (and this will be contentious, but nevertheless it is so), the soul that finds itself in a condition where it is starving on Earth is actually fast-tracking its karma. It is not necessarily linking with situations from the past where it has starved before, but is linking with karmic situations where it has felt a sensation of lack …I did not have enough in this business situation …I did not have enough in this marriage situation …I did not have enough in this family situation in the way I regarded my siblings, my parents and the rest of my family. And so the ‘starvation’ is not necessarily, for the most part (but can be on occasion), a reflection of a physical starvation with regard to food in past lives, but it is a reflection of starvation in perception by that soul in other areas of past lives which are now being brought to a culmination by this present experience.

It sounds terribly harsh, doesn’t it? It is not a judgement – it is something that the soul has agreed to, having seen part-way through its period of stasis …its dreaming between worlds as it were… that it would enable it to escape the pull of the Earth plane once that new incarnation is over. So, it is placed in a situation where the most good – not harm – the most good can be done to that soul, with regard to releasing it from the effects of the Fall and successive incarnations, by the life it is about to live.

There are other examples, of course. Regarding severe handicap, for example, severe handicap is a restriction …not necessarily the restriction that the soul inhabiting a restrictive body has gone through in past lives physically, but, rather a reflection of the restriction the soul has perceived as being around it in past lives and now seeks to liberate itself from. There are lives where, at a certain point in that life, restriction applies itself, or a sudden immobility is created …from one day being fully mobile to being totally immobile the next.

I would ask you, with your hearts, to examine what I have just said, and you will view souls who are suffering, from your point of view (and from theirs on a conscious level), with a new perception and a new depth as to what is actually taking place.

What is hoped will happen is that the soul undergoing these trying and challenging circumstances will weary of them, and will come to the point when it passes over that it has had enough of them. It has got out of its system the need to challenge a perceived starvation or a perceived immobility in an area of its physical life. So, it comes back saying: ‘Yes, I understand. I have sufficient soul memory from that time between to allow me to make an informed decision as to whether I will go on or not. I now decide to go on into the spirit realms, to leave physicality behind and to escape the effects of the Fall.’

Now, of course, this does not happen with each soul in the between state. If it did, then there would be no mobility on the Earth at all as everyone would be restricted because everyone would be facing those aspects of their past lives they came back to re-examine with a view to becoming tired of them …growing beyond them …escaping the effects of the Fall …moving on to the spiritual realms …and then on into Infinity.

So, we cannot influence every soul – although we do try. Once the soul is in the between-state, we surround it and infuse it with love. We try to hold back the pull of its past lives because, as it nears its new incarnation and the matter becomes denser around the soul, the pull begins …and begins to have more influence. We try, as much as we can, to hold off that influence until the soul is actually born – in order to give it the best possible start in Light, so that it has time to re-evaluate its spiritual status before the effects of the physical world become so heavy on and around it as to pull it back into that cycle of thinking that draws it back to the Earth.

Where is the between-state?

…The between-state is ‘no-where’.

It is not a sphere as such – it is a ‘holding level of being’, if that makes sense. The souls that are coming back have decided to come back, but they cannot instantly incarnate. They have to go through ‘due process’. Neither can they move onwards into the spiritual spheres because they have elected, through free will, not to do so.

So, they exist where?

…They exist as a concept.

They exist as a concept of God (as do we all), but they are not in a space that takes up a specific role. They are literally ‘between’ – they are held by the love and thoughts of the angelic host, and by the love and thoughts of that part of the angelic host that is still escaping by travelling through the cleansing spheres towards Infinity. They are held as a concept, and so you have spirits on our side whose sole purpose, at this point in time, is to hold the concepts of those souls steady until the time when the process – placed around them by the Lords of Karma – begins, and they are drawn into physical incarnation.

From the point of view of the soul, the ‘past’ (as you would understand it) is wiped out. The past spiritually is wiped out. It is only when they incarnate that for them consciousness appears to spring from nowhere. They have no concept of having lived before or having been in spiritual realms. They start, conscious-wise, from that new pool of energy placed around them at the point of incarnation.

Because they are so ‘hell-bent’ (and I use the term deliberately) …hell-bent on a new incarnation that that is their entire focus, it is only as they grow, and hopefully have been influenced to grow, into a situation that will give them pause for thought that they can at that point access their soul memories and their past-life memories. The point when they go into stasis is the point at which all logical and spiritual argument has failed, leaving that soul with only a forward motion to consider …a ‘forward motion’ (from their point of view – not from ours) into a further physical incarnation.

The work to re-educate souls never ends.

The work to love souls never ends.

…And I hope you can see the juxtaposition of points of view here: in that you have souls who appear to be suffering on Earth but that is from their own volition, and yet, on the other hand, you have this great pool of love around each soul that maintains them, directs them and is trying always – even when they are not physically or spiritually conscious – to evolve and to enlighten them …and by ‘enlighten’ I mean putting Light into them to infuse them with Light.

So, I would say to you – do not see the process as being harsh. You have to remember when you see someone suffering that they have agreed to that suffering …either as part of a refining process they accepted before they incarnated again, or as a result of their thoughts, in their present life, reacting and interacting with the matrix of Field-energy that exists around the Earth at this time.

It is never a judgement.

It is never a punishment.

It is always a ‘watering can’ being applied to the ‘seed’ so that the seed-within might grow.

And that is the way I would ask readers of this chapter to regard suffering on Earth. You understand, of course, from the Fall that suffering is as a result of the speeding up of matter and the refusal to let go of the attitude that you were ‘right’ at the time of the Fall. You were ‘right’ …and you still believe you are right. All the processes of suffering that come to a soul physically and mentally are there to shake that belief and to say: ‘The ‘right’ that I thought was so right is only surface, only physical, only mental – it is not me. I need to blossom beyond this. I need to break out of it. I need to let it fall away from me.’

And at that point – whenever that point is (whether that soul is a few hours old or decades old) then the soul is returned to its original path. The suffering is imposed by the soul out of ignorance or a desire to re-establish itself as the spiritual being it really is.

We look forward to a time when there will be no between-states. We look forward to a time when, having evolved beyond the effects of the Fall, the angelic children of the Fall are able to visit planets in full consciousness of who they are to experience aspects of those spheres and then return to a greater spiritual reality, without pain or fear, in full consciousness of who they are.

That is the normal state of things outside the effects of the Fall. But, because of the effects of the Fall, you have drawn a ‘curtain’ around the way things are outside the physical sphere of the Earth …and to a certain extent outside the spiritual realms, i.e. the cleansing realms that surround and interpenetrate the Earth. On the lower spheres of existence (but not the Lower Astral, which is a turbulent area) the realisation of how things operate beyond the cleansing spheres is only understood by a few, and then only partially.

So, what I am suggesting is that there is a skewed view of ‘Heaven’ on the lower spheres because the souls there are, yes, moving away from the Earth, but still, in many, many cases, have yet to re-embrace the reality of how spiritual existence is beyond the Earth and beyond the cleansing spheres. It is a gradual awakening according to the soul potential and soul memories of each individual soul.

This may help you to understand, in turn, why many souls return to converse through mediums and exhibit a level of understanding only slightly removed and elevated from the level of understanding they had whilst they were encased in physical matter on Earth. They are still growing and still divesting themselves of the effects of the Fall.

There exists then a time when they have a duality of nature where they begin to appreciate their greater soul existence, soul potential and soul memory of who they were, and yet are hanging on to one aspect of their various incarnations or to one personality. In this case, mediums see those souls at the same time trying to communicate as a glowing, shining spirit and also as a personality in contemporary clothes wishing to talk to a family member about something banal or seemingly trivial.

So, the between-state I wished to speak about today relates to the between-state of souls in stasis before reincarnating on the Earth plane. It also relates, to some extent, to some of the lower spheres where people have not yet totally reinvested in their soul memories, have not yet totally reconnected with who they truly are, and are still seeing their surroundings and their path from the somewhat limited viewpoint of who they were in their last personality on Earth.

Can I invite questions at this point, please?

David: Joseph, in this between-state, where does God fit in …the God-within? You say that the soul is ‘managed’ by the angelic host and that the angelic host converses with the soul’s God-within to figure out what is best for that soul…

Joseph: The soul at that point is, strangely, in its almost purest God-form because, in order to get what it wants, it has relinquished most of its soul memories and most of its earthly-life memories. However, there is integrated with it – as a ‘polluted’ expression of God – the subconscious, almost sub-atomic structure of who it was, and that retains it as the sum of its memories without it consciously having those memories, if that makes sense. In other words, were that structure not there, the soul would be complete God-energy …but God-energy without the individual imprint running through it. So, the individual imprint runs through it to maintain its individuality, but that imprint is at its most basic form because it is not influenced by the will or the memory of the soul with regard to earthly lives or spiritual lives at that point.

The God-within is at its strongest, but the God-within will not influence even at that stage – except through other manifestations of the God-within [reference to the angel host] who are attempting to reach that soul consciously and influence it …by using their own free will. So, the soul is almost in its purest form, but it has activated a process, activated a desire and so must travel through that desire to get to the next desire or activation, which also has to be free will.

Does that make sense?

David: I think so, yes. In a sense it has been stripped back and its memories and so forth, up to that point, have been put to one side by volition, and, once that process has started, it has to be seen through to the end – the circle, in effect.

Joseph: Yes, and this is to do with the creative nature of ourselves as spiritual beings that there has to be ‘due process’ in everything that we do. It is the due process that was interrupted by the effects of the Fall. In normal due process you have an opening out to a desire …you have a formation of that desire …you have the experience that is brought to you by that desire …and then you have a relinquishing of that desire so that a new desire can be opened up and formed.

Because of the Fall, the normal course of creative process, as applied to an angelic being, only goes three-quarters of the way – in that you cannot dispense totally with the creation you have expressed in order to experience your desire within. There is a minefield – almost a ‘rubbish area’ or an area of abused matter – that cannot return back into the creative matrix to be used again. So, that surrounds the soul, and the soul desires to go through that process. The problem is when it gets to Earth that process cannot be totally concluded on a physical level because of the effects of the Fall. Then you have, around that soul, the rubbish or the accumulation that is linked to that soul that religions describe as ‘karma’.

Does that make sense?

David: Yes.

Jane: Can people reincarnate directly from the Lower Astral, or do they have to evolve to a certain state in order to have that spiritual dialogue as to where to go next?

Joseph: The Lower Astral is a sphere of intense desire – intense self-desire. It is an area of preservation. …The soul wishes to continue …wishes to stake its claim …wishes to have its own personal territory …wishes more …wishes all aspects of creation for itself. That draws to itself a great deal of heavier molecules, and the soul has to first come out of that state of mind before it can be influenced again as to whether it returns to the Earth or not.

So, can it incarnate directly from the Lower Astral?

No, because it has to go through due process, and it is encased in a world of want …and desire …and need …and anger …and violence that will not allow, at that stage, the intercession of other angelic beings in order to create a new path, a new incarnation and a new physical body. The molecules are far too heavy, far too clustered, far too sharp and far too angular.

If you were to look at them, the molecules that surround the souls in the Lower Astral are dense, are jagged, are sharp and are a …I don’t want to say ‘an aberration’… they are a further distortion of the way that things should be. The molecules around your earthly body are distorted to a certain extent by the effects of the Fall, but in the Lower Astral there is an amplification of all that is wrong on Earth taken into a spiritual (but not ‘spiritual’ in the sense of being ‘blessed’) level.

Therefore, the soul has to extricate itself by becoming tired of that process and then elevate itself so that souls can surround it, can minister to it and can give it the choice. Now, there is the choice at this point and, although those souls cannot incarnate directly from the Lower Astral, they can, having elevated themselves, be taken into the cleansing spheres if they wish to continue their journey without reincarnating again.

So, it is possible for a soul to come from the Lower Astral to learn, to grow, to be blessed with Light, and then to decide to move onwards – just as those spirits from the Earth Plane have decided to move onwards, having had enough of the experience that is bringing them suffering. In that sense they can be ‘born again’ into the spiritual realms, but they cannot go the route of Lower Astral to physical incarnation because they first have to come up into the sphere where they can be talked to and be given the choice through free will. Then they have to make that choice – as any other soul has that has come directly from the Earth plane.

Does that make sense?

Jane: Perfect, thank you.

Tony: Joseph, when you are in the ‘queue’ waiting for the Lords of Karma to place you, and you have already decided what aspects you want to address in the forthcoming physical lifetime, if in that queue advisory spirits persuade you that you can elevate yourself and bypass going through the same old things again – does that mean you have relinquished those ideas you joined the queue for hoping to work through on a physical plane?

Joseph: It means that you have come to the point where you are willing to examine them. For many souls in that nebulous queue, there is no question about it: ‘I am going back to the Earth. I wish to examine certain areas of my life, and I wish to re-immerse myself in the aspects of the earthy life that I have found most challenging …most pleasurable …or which I did not feel I had brought to a successful conclusion during my last life.’ So you have many, many souls who are blinkered in that respect.

What I have attempted to describe this morning is a process whereby enough spiritual logic and balanced argument can be delivered to the soul in stasis to allow it to at least acknowledge that it needs to examine its reasons for re-entering the challenges it is about to re-enter. This inflow of Light goes on at the most etheric level because, having relinquished their spiritual life as an ongoing process and having decided to reincarnate on Earth, they place themselves in a magnetic process. They are pulled into a process that will inevitably take them back to the Earth.

The change of attitude comes about by addressing the barest hint of structure around the soul …by infusing that soul with an almost subliminal change of attitude …by addressing the God-within still encased within that process of needing to reincarnate …and by impressing on the very loose structure of the soul, at that point, enough argument to consider that, at the subliminal shell-level of the soul, a change takes place.

It is only when the incarnating soul is actually drawn into physical matter again that the reconsidering, which took place in that very fine ‘shell of God-Light’, manifests itself…

1) In the physical challenges that come to the soul – for example, the soul is born into an area where it is starving or physically or mentally restricted.

2) That volition is drawn into the physical consciousness of the soul so that it, at least, has the chance of examining its surroundings with a spiritual point of view with a view to escaping the effects of the Fall.

Joseph: Is that a sufficient answer?

Tony: Yes, it is. Thank you.

Joseph: We will at this point withdraw. I am holding the book that this series of addresses will eventually become, and you will find in relation to what we have discussed today (the in-between stage) we are putting in-between chapters to flesh out the concepts that had to be condensed into the four books you have thus far.

So, we are illuminating certain areas of how life works for you here and in the spirit realms, and the processes that take place, to expand the landscape of information that we have given the readers thus far. By the end of this particular book, you will see that each chapter should still be considered as part of one separate book, but will slot into place between the topics that we have covered thus far in order to ‘fast-track’ (again that term) the entire message and need for change that we need to get into the minds and hearts of people at this time.

The Joseph Communications: From Here to Infinity

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